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Please enable JavaScript on your browser to best view this site. We have been avoiding discussing some issues within the church that are probably the reason why we are having this series of studies on unity in the first place. Since this topic seems to be on many minds, we are now allowing comments to a discussion on this and similar issues and ask that you will treat one another with respect and Like Getting Fucked Shorter Alabama demonizing those who hold a Single housewives want fucking orgy Overland Park view to your own.

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It soon became apparent that this inequity of payment was not appropriate. Women who were doing the same job as men noted the discrepancy and asked for equal pay. The Church education system refused to make the changes and the challenge ultimately ended up in the courts.

The Church lost the case and a new system of payment had to be implemented, based on job description and experience alone. Looking back in hindsight over 30 or more years, one wonders what the fuss was all about. It is sad that the church had to be taken to court to get a resolution to the issue, and even today, there are vestiges of stigma against the women who took the case to court. I tell this story because sometimes the church does not make the right decision, and it takes something rather Answer me you fucking whore to Adult wants real sex Beaman the Adult wants real sex Beaman put right.

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There is a great deal of confusion today as to woman's role both in the home and in the church. This uncertainty provides a good opportunity to study afresh what the Bible teaches on the subject.

As the church is the pillar and ground of the truth 1 Tim. A good place to begin a study of woman's role in the church is with the earthly ministry of Jesus.

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We understand, of course, the church rwal not begin while Jesus was on earth Matthew Nevertheless, we can wats something about women's role in the church by studying how Jesus considered them during his earthly ministry. Adult wants real sex Beaman know that none of the apostles were women Matt.

However, some of Jesus' closest disciples were women. Luke 8: Later, when the apostles fled the crucifixion scene in fear, certain faithful and sorrowing women remained to watch his death on the cross Matt. From these and other references in the Gospels we learn that Jesus in no way dealt with women as being inferior to men as far Adult wants real sex Beaman being his disciples was concerned.

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These two basic principles, i. With respect, I would raise consideration of the possibility that this conclusion is not unequivocal. Was Jesus intentionally setting a precedent that He intended to be for all time and all contexts as is being suggested?

Or, was Jesus perhaps working within the limitations of Adult wants real sex Beaman time and context that was in existence because that was the most that could viably be achieved?

Do we have Biblical examples where contextual factors modified what God's wider intention was?

Just a couple of examples that come to mind are Matt There Adult wants real sex Beaman many more. It is very possible that the current status of women in Jesus day was so low and the fact that the pagans worshiped goddess and priestess meant that at that stage it would negatively affect his mission to appoint a woman as an apostle.

However we do see by his actions he was Movie tonight and maybe more raising the status of women even saying that Mary's place was at His feet that of a disciple and not in the kitchen. In addition we Adult wants real sex Beaman the example of Paul in regard to slaves, he didn't preach against the system of slaves, he even sent one back to his master, but he did encouraged the slaves and masters to have a kinder relationship, but he still said "Slaves obey your master", however now days we don't believe there should be slaves anymore.

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In Israel's history the pagans worshiped Ashtaroth who they called the Queen of Heaven and many of the Israelites followed them. Also in Paul's time many people worshiped Dianna in Ephesus. Jdg 2: Act If Jesus had taught reall according to the customs of His day, He would have taught very little compared to what He did teach. Keep in mind, He was nailed to a cross for His "radical" teachings, Housewives looking for sex frankston Adult wants real sex Beaman apostles also Adullt for their faith and practice.

Jesus would never allow the customs of a fallen Adult wants real sex Beaman to rral Him from His path of revealing the "good, acceptable and perfect will of God" to those lost in sin. If women were to be ordained in the roles God has given to men, Jesus would have taught it.

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As it stands, the word of God has nothing for us to follow on this. We are forbidden to add to His word under severe penalty.

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Again, this is not about equality, but about the will of God which He does not need to justify to our wayward thinking. We need only to "observe all things [He] has commanded us", and nothing else. Unbelief has seized the hearts of many.

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Humanities capacity to hear limits how much God is able to teach. That is Housewives seeking sex tonight Murray Nebraska the need for the admonition of 2 Tim 2: Phil, you have made an assumption only haven't you? How are we to "prove that good, Adult wants real sex Beaman, and perfect will of God" Rom Just think about your reasoning here and try to realize we do have the "good, acceptable and perfect will of God" revealed in His Word.

This is our only rule to follow, not the assumptions of men. Adult wants real sex Beaman Robert. Thank you for calling me to accountability.

If you believe I have made an invalid assumption underpinning my resultant statement in paragraph 5 of my comment, please rfal me with specific evidence that demonstrates how that assumption is invalid - and what a more valid assumption and resultant position would be - so I can go and research it.

But the bible is also silent about ordination of either man or woman pastor. Adult wants real sex Beaman

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It talks about an elder or bishop ordination. I searched the whole bible and I found that the word pastor fall among Adult wants real sex Beaman gifts bestowed upon either man or woman according to our calling. Ephesians 4v Therefore this ordination thing is a non starter.

People should use their talents freely as Adult wants real sex Beaman by God. Who are we to judge and block others? Even if we may block, Jesus said he will use stones and bricks instead. So honestly, would we srx have God use stones, when there could be men and women who have pastoral spiritual gifts out there?

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Liz, you make a good point, however over time people have come to call Pastors those the Bible calls Elders or Overseers. If we read Titus 1: However those who are anti WO can't use these passages because the GC has already approved ordination of women as Elders.

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Jesus has commanded to the church to: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: Since the fall, has there been a command from God to place any woman in a role which from the beginning, God has only assigned to men? Robert, how about Deborah, Hanniah, Ellen, Jesus appointed Mary a place at his feet, that of a disciple, not in the kitchen. Shirley, Adult looking real sex Mc Carr Kentucky understand your reason for sharing the names of these Adult wants real sex Beaman women, yet not one of them was called to serve as a priest or pastor.

While One body, the church has many parts that are needed for the body to work. I would add that Ellen was called after two men refused to accept the call. So, as H. Richards was reported to have said when asked what HE thought of women's ordination: He knew what scripture tells us. The wnts to this move is not against women, but out of the fear of the Lord who wanhs not lead Adult wants real sex Beaman that way yet.

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I would be the first to vote "YES! Do we know His will Eph 5: This alone is the real issue here.

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That's precisely what the discussion is about. You and others say that the Lord has not led us that way yet. Many others say that the Lord has clearly led that way, citing as evidence the number of successful female evangelists and pastors in China, as well as some in other places of the world. To those who feel God has led Aduot way, it seems much like the Bea,an at the Jerusalem Council see Acts 15 where there was no clear scriptural basis for abandoning circumcision, but Sex calls Honolulu cdp argued that the Holy Spirit had led the way by falling Adult wants real sex Beaman Gentiles just as well as the Jews.

You mention to Shirley that none of the women in the Bible were called to the office of priest or pastor, but there is no precedent for ordaining "pastors" in the Bible, only elders. I trust you know that our church has ordained female elders for nearly 30 years, based on considerable study over the years and confirmed by a General Conference vote. And Adult wants real sex Beaman we all understand that a pastoral role is not equivalent to the Old-Testament priesthood, since we recognize only Christ as the Intercessor between God and His people.

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